sanju
09-12 09:38 PM
I still can't connect Republicans with legal immigration. I was asking before, what Republican sponsored bill was passed that supports legal immigrants?
They are all corrupt and they are all actors. I am talking about all politicians, in this or any other country. They are not leaders, they are all politicians.
Republicans project themselves as pro-business that is expected to create more jobs for Americans. They support legal skill immigrants not because legal immigrants are "beautiful", but because legal immigrants help big-business make more money. For republicans this is not the question of pro or anti immigration, it is primarily 'wealth creation' issue for big-business. Republicans usually do not support provisions for employee protection as it hurts the agenda of big-business.
Don't get me started about Democrats who are no different. Its just that Democrats don't care about skilled immigrants at all and they only care about big business during fund raisers.
Even Bush was not able to push Republicans to support CIR. McCain was forced to disavow his support for CIR just to win the nomination.
Bush did what he could to push for CIR. If all Democrats would have supported, CIR would have passed in 2006. In 2007, if it was not for blue dog democrats, CIR would have passed in 2007. But democrats had decided to set their priority for not forcing their congressmen/women to go through a difficult vote which may possibly make Democrats lose the election in 2008.
On the other hand, it was always at the time of a Democrat President when immigrants had freedoms. VB was almost always current. You can get driver's license easily.
Difficult with DL is primarily due to the fallout of 9/11, it is not because of a democratic or republican president in office.
Again, going back to the question, what Republican Bill was passed in support of us, legal immigrants?
Most legal immigration bills were passed/worked upon by Republicans including AC21 bill. Not because republicans are pro-immigrants and democrats are anti-immigrants, but the reason is republicans are supposedly pro-business.
HR5882 is co-sponsored by Sensenbrenner. He was the biggest opposer of recapture bill in 2005 before he decided to co-sponsoring recapture bill HR5882 in 2008.
Look, it is not correct to generalize that Republicans are anti-immigrants and Democrats are pro-immigrants or visa-versa. They are all actors and each individual lawmaker decide their position based on how it would effect their re-election. Wait till you see Durbin show his act, most people on this forum, legal tax paying law abiding people will all be toast. Just wait and watch, writing is on the wall.
They are all corrupt and they are all actors. I am talking about all politicians, in this or any other country. They are not leaders, they are all politicians.
Republicans project themselves as pro-business that is expected to create more jobs for Americans. They support legal skill immigrants not because legal immigrants are "beautiful", but because legal immigrants help big-business make more money. For republicans this is not the question of pro or anti immigration, it is primarily 'wealth creation' issue for big-business. Republicans usually do not support provisions for employee protection as it hurts the agenda of big-business.
Don't get me started about Democrats who are no different. Its just that Democrats don't care about skilled immigrants at all and they only care about big business during fund raisers.
Even Bush was not able to push Republicans to support CIR. McCain was forced to disavow his support for CIR just to win the nomination.
Bush did what he could to push for CIR. If all Democrats would have supported, CIR would have passed in 2006. In 2007, if it was not for blue dog democrats, CIR would have passed in 2007. But democrats had decided to set their priority for not forcing their congressmen/women to go through a difficult vote which may possibly make Democrats lose the election in 2008.
On the other hand, it was always at the time of a Democrat President when immigrants had freedoms. VB was almost always current. You can get driver's license easily.
Difficult with DL is primarily due to the fallout of 9/11, it is not because of a democratic or republican president in office.
Again, going back to the question, what Republican Bill was passed in support of us, legal immigrants?
Most legal immigration bills were passed/worked upon by Republicans including AC21 bill. Not because republicans are pro-immigrants and democrats are anti-immigrants, but the reason is republicans are supposedly pro-business.
HR5882 is co-sponsored by Sensenbrenner. He was the biggest opposer of recapture bill in 2005 before he decided to co-sponsoring recapture bill HR5882 in 2008.
Look, it is not correct to generalize that Republicans are anti-immigrants and Democrats are pro-immigrants or visa-versa. They are all actors and each individual lawmaker decide their position based on how it would effect their re-election. Wait till you see Durbin show his act, most people on this forum, legal tax paying law abiding people will all be toast. Just wait and watch, writing is on the wall.
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ufo2002
11-08 04:33 PM
Let me ask you the opposite question : How does NOT passing CIR help us ?
I bet you don't have a convincing answer for that. Therefroe, it follows that CIR (even if it is not ideal) will be better than no bill being passed.
And all those anti-CIR folks please get this : It does NOT give instant citizenship to anyone, nor does it put these folks ahead of us in the line. Thats just rhetoric from the likes of numbersUSA and lou dobbs blindly being parroted by some morons/idiots/imbeciles here. The core team had repeated this several times when CIR was under discussion. CIR is definitely not ideal for us because of the possibility of collateral effect from USCIS being overwhelmed, but is that worse than our current situation of waiting till retirement for our PDs to become current ?
As rheoretro mentioned in an earlier post "Burning someone else's house down is not going to help us build our own". That is particularly true for us .. those who who are against illegal aliens are also against high skilled legals with a few honorable exceptions like Cornyn and Kyl. If that wasnt the case, the house and the senate would have passed SKIL in a jiffy by now. Its best for us to remain neutral on the illegal alien issue .. and back it to the extent that it benefits us through a piggy back ride.
Actually I do have a convincing answer... whether or not that bill passes, we are in a lose-lose situation. I have read the bill (not in its entirety like I already stated). I know that the amnesty section already specified there will be no immediate granting of citizenship, excepting the wording for those who have been in this country for more than 5/6 years seems to imply they would get citizenship (again, the way a bill is worded can be twisted in future).
What I am worried about is, I get the feeling this is going to end up dipping into our EB3 pool... we previously had a Sched A for physicians and nurses that took numbers out of EB3 exclusively for them.
And I don't listen to Lou Dobbs or NumbersUSA rantings. But if you kept your ears open more than 6 months ago, you would also have heard some Dems says some not-so-friendly things about us.
One prominent Dem senator said H1-Bs are not suffering as much as illegals.
Another prominent Dem said this country needed more farm workers, not more IT / skilled ppl.
Have a nice day, anyway.
I bet you don't have a convincing answer for that. Therefroe, it follows that CIR (even if it is not ideal) will be better than no bill being passed.
And all those anti-CIR folks please get this : It does NOT give instant citizenship to anyone, nor does it put these folks ahead of us in the line. Thats just rhetoric from the likes of numbersUSA and lou dobbs blindly being parroted by some morons/idiots/imbeciles here. The core team had repeated this several times when CIR was under discussion. CIR is definitely not ideal for us because of the possibility of collateral effect from USCIS being overwhelmed, but is that worse than our current situation of waiting till retirement for our PDs to become current ?
As rheoretro mentioned in an earlier post "Burning someone else's house down is not going to help us build our own". That is particularly true for us .. those who who are against illegal aliens are also against high skilled legals with a few honorable exceptions like Cornyn and Kyl. If that wasnt the case, the house and the senate would have passed SKIL in a jiffy by now. Its best for us to remain neutral on the illegal alien issue .. and back it to the extent that it benefits us through a piggy back ride.
Actually I do have a convincing answer... whether or not that bill passes, we are in a lose-lose situation. I have read the bill (not in its entirety like I already stated). I know that the amnesty section already specified there will be no immediate granting of citizenship, excepting the wording for those who have been in this country for more than 5/6 years seems to imply they would get citizenship (again, the way a bill is worded can be twisted in future).
What I am worried about is, I get the feeling this is going to end up dipping into our EB3 pool... we previously had a Sched A for physicians and nurses that took numbers out of EB3 exclusively for them.
And I don't listen to Lou Dobbs or NumbersUSA rantings. But if you kept your ears open more than 6 months ago, you would also have heard some Dems says some not-so-friendly things about us.
One prominent Dem senator said H1-Bs are not suffering as much as illegals.
Another prominent Dem said this country needed more farm workers, not more IT / skilled ppl.
Have a nice day, anyway.
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06-30 11:00 AM
Seems like this is just a Republican backed bill. Dems will fight this or insist that some provisions for illegals be included as well. Also once elections are over it is possible that the Dems will be majority and then this bill gets kicked to the side.

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02-26 11:32 AM
Few of my friends (5) mailed their letters over the weekend. This takes my total to 14 (confirmed). Quite a few have promised they'll mail it, need to track them!!!
Lets go for the final stretch!!!
Lets go for the final stretch!!!
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Lasantha
09-18 12:31 AM
Well, I don't know where you got the 6/7 years from. But the way I understand it, 7% per country does NOT mean that any one country is guranteed 7% of the visas. It simply means that no one country will get MORE THAN 7% of visas. So yes, even if your country was issued a very few visas in that fiscal year if the rest of ROW applicants used up all the numbers, you may have to wait for a while depending on your PD.
So if what you are saying is true, then form example, country "A" has only one applicant. Since ROW collectively used all the visa,country "A" has to wait 6/7 years to get visa number?
So if what you are saying is true, then form example, country "A" has only one applicant. Since ROW collectively used all the visa,country "A" has to wait 6/7 years to get visa number?
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GreenGrass
09-21 09:26 PM
I second that. Ranga, from NJ had an idea about making a documentary to project the whole issue
Can we form a Human Chain protest across the major cities of the country at a predefined date and time. for instance, say Nov 9th between 11.AM and 1 PM.
This way more local people, across the country, can participate and as the timing is around lunch hours, I presume many of us can get back to work within the two hour duration.
May be this decentralized & concerted effort in all major cities/states across the country at a specified time may gather main stream media attention.
This is just a thought...
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Can we form a Human Chain protest across the major cities of the country at a predefined date and time. for instance, say Nov 9th between 11.AM and 1 PM.
This way more local people, across the country, can participate and as the timing is around lunch hours, I presume many of us can get back to work within the two hour duration.
May be this decentralized & concerted effort in all major cities/states across the country at a specified time may gather main stream media attention.
This is just a thought...
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stucklabor
03-19 08:21 PM
Yes, by removing "or" from (I), adding "or" at (II), and adding (III). I think this is how it would read. How do you think it should read?
Your interpretation is incorrect. An advanced degree holder from the US will not need labor certification. Please go through my and Appu's reasoning in earlier posts on this thread to understand why.
Per Frist's bill, an advanced degree holder in STEM with 3 years experience will be subject to special handling in labor cert. Your (iii) refers to this person. This person is not subject to the numerical quota.
An advanced STEM degree holder from the US does not need labor cert. This is because notwithstanding the applicant's admissiblity for permanent residence, the applicant can file for adjustment of status as long as he has an immigrant petition. "Applicant's admissibility for permanent residency" refers to labor cert for EB 2/3 workers - see section 212 of INA. So irrespective of labor cert, the advanced STEM degree holder from the US can file for Adjustment of Status and I140. However, this person is subject to numerical quota and has to wait for a green card number for 485 approval.
Put both the above paragraphs together - the advanced STEM degree holder from the US with 3 years experience has the best of both worlds - no labor cert, no quota, can file for I140 and I48.
Your interpretation is incorrect. An advanced degree holder from the US will not need labor certification. Please go through my and Appu's reasoning in earlier posts on this thread to understand why.
Per Frist's bill, an advanced degree holder in STEM with 3 years experience will be subject to special handling in labor cert. Your (iii) refers to this person. This person is not subject to the numerical quota.
An advanced STEM degree holder from the US does not need labor cert. This is because notwithstanding the applicant's admissiblity for permanent residence, the applicant can file for adjustment of status as long as he has an immigrant petition. "Applicant's admissibility for permanent residency" refers to labor cert for EB 2/3 workers - see section 212 of INA. So irrespective of labor cert, the advanced STEM degree holder from the US can file for Adjustment of Status and I140. However, this person is subject to numerical quota and has to wait for a green card number for 485 approval.
Put both the above paragraphs together - the advanced STEM degree holder from the US with 3 years experience has the best of both worlds - no labor cert, no quota, can file for I140 and I48.
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saimrathi
07-03 04:15 PM
As I said dont bother replying
Pay attention more to something when you read and ask your questions better (or at least elaborate before you reply with something like the above gem). And, since I suspect this is part of the problem look up "hypothetical". The correct term should have been "on or after July 2" not "after July 2". I didn't bother to sit there and make sure it was perfectly clear since I assumed readers would get it. Obviously, some are slow:D Peace
Pay attention more to something when you read and ask your questions better (or at least elaborate before you reply with something like the above gem). And, since I suspect this is part of the problem look up "hypothetical". The correct term should have been "on or after July 2" not "after July 2". I didn't bother to sit there and make sure it was perfectly clear since I assumed readers would get it. Obviously, some are slow:D Peace
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08-20 12:26 PM
Canada rules are not complicated at all. You don't need any agent for doing paperwork.
Either you are eligible or not.
I agree.
Either you are eligible or not.
I agree.
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07-22 02:57 PM
I never knew Hindi is a local language in US:D Moreover I dont have anything against Hindi or any other language. Its the personal experience with people on more than one occasion.
I was not talking about Hindi in particular. I simply meant the language local to the place you are at, be it any city or state in India or the US.
I was not talking about Hindi in particular. I simply meant the language local to the place you are at, be it any city or state in India or the US.
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sc3
07-18 02:23 PM
U know what, actually we all eb2 guys are very sad about the eb3 plight. And if we do get a visa number, we will request uscis to dsitribute it to eb3 category. does this make u guys happy now ???
why dont u think abt those guys, who filed in eb3 earlier, knew that the trouble is brewing, and switched jobs to be able to file under eb2. why you guys dint do that so far. dont blame uscis. they were, the are and they will remain a mystery for ever. its not our birthright. if DOS thinks they need more research grads, they will keep eb1 current, if they need more exp guys, they will improve the b2 category. And if they need more frsh grads, they will come to eb3. And if some exp person is stuck in eb3, he himself is to be blamed. dont blame anyone else for your ignorance of GC rules then.
So fact is we all are under DOS/USCIS mercy. 2 years back it was eb3 turn, now it is eb2 turn. Unfortunately no is blaming why ebI is always current. if that reason you can digest, then you should have the gall to digest this one too.
Ok, this thread is degenerating. I had told nothing against EB2 other than saying that we cant be happy for anyone given our situation. We are not asking for any pity, or asking for you to be sad for us. You being (or anyone) sad for us will not make us happy. You "asking USCIS to give us your numbers" will not make us happy either.
So please stop saying things which is obviously trying to make light of our situation. I see that even though most EB3ers are talking about why the law changed and if it is reasonable for the law to have been reinterpreted, *most* EB2s are responding at a personal level.
BTW: DoS does not make the determination if they want more or less of Eb1, Eb2, and Eb3s. The law does that. Also note that it wants all 3 categories in equal quantities -- when there is sufficient demand.
why dont u think abt those guys, who filed in eb3 earlier, knew that the trouble is brewing, and switched jobs to be able to file under eb2. why you guys dint do that so far. dont blame uscis. they were, the are and they will remain a mystery for ever. its not our birthright. if DOS thinks they need more research grads, they will keep eb1 current, if they need more exp guys, they will improve the b2 category. And if they need more frsh grads, they will come to eb3. And if some exp person is stuck in eb3, he himself is to be blamed. dont blame anyone else for your ignorance of GC rules then.
So fact is we all are under DOS/USCIS mercy. 2 years back it was eb3 turn, now it is eb2 turn. Unfortunately no is blaming why ebI is always current. if that reason you can digest, then you should have the gall to digest this one too.
Ok, this thread is degenerating. I had told nothing against EB2 other than saying that we cant be happy for anyone given our situation. We are not asking for any pity, or asking for you to be sad for us. You being (or anyone) sad for us will not make us happy. You "asking USCIS to give us your numbers" will not make us happy either.
So please stop saying things which is obviously trying to make light of our situation. I see that even though most EB3ers are talking about why the law changed and if it is reasonable for the law to have been reinterpreted, *most* EB2s are responding at a personal level.
BTW: DoS does not make the determination if they want more or less of Eb1, Eb2, and Eb3s. The law does that. Also note that it wants all 3 categories in equal quantities -- when there is sufficient demand.
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vinabath
03-21 03:17 PM
More education generally does mean more skill. It does not always mean more pay, but this country has decided to use education and work experience as the criterion for EB category allocation.
You have put this in the best possible way. My allegiance to EB2 as I got my MS degree from US in Tech Major.
You have put this in the best possible way. My allegiance to EB2 as I got my MS degree from US in Tech Major.
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bubbles
06-10 02:53 PM
I wonder if anybody noticed the cyclic pattern of dates for EB3 India
Bulletin date Visa date
9/1/2007 Unavailable
10/1/2007 April 22, 2001
Steadily Advancing
6/1/2008 Nov 01, 2001
7/1/2008 Unavailable
till
9/1/2008 Unavailable
10/1/2008 July 01, 2001
Steadily Advancing
4/1/2009 Nov 01, 2001
5/1/2009 Unavailable
till
9/1/2009 Unavailable
10/1/2009 Apr 15, 2001
Steadily Advancing
7/1/2010 Nov 22, 2001
Every time it hit Nov 2001, the dates were made unavailable and the cycle started again from early 2001.
I wonder what is going to happen next month??
Bulletin date Visa date
9/1/2007 Unavailable
10/1/2007 April 22, 2001
Steadily Advancing
6/1/2008 Nov 01, 2001
7/1/2008 Unavailable
till
9/1/2008 Unavailable
10/1/2008 July 01, 2001
Steadily Advancing
4/1/2009 Nov 01, 2001
5/1/2009 Unavailable
till
9/1/2009 Unavailable
10/1/2009 Apr 15, 2001
Steadily Advancing
7/1/2010 Nov 22, 2001
Every time it hit Nov 2001, the dates were made unavailable and the cycle started again from early 2001.
I wonder what is going to happen next month??
nik.patelc
09-30 09:34 PM
Dude you brought up the point of being a proud donor. Nobody gives a hoot if you donate or not.
You are doing it for yourself and not for humanity.
Get it right!
And the way you behave shows what kind of background you have (UP/Bihar)
So just grow up and learn how to respect others!!!
Arunmurthy, Please dont drag UP/Bihar. Bihari are proud indian too. I am not bihar but narrow minded guy like you talk all this nonsense. People from south may be educated, techy but very discrimating and hyprocrate. Most sound indian just hang out on their identity group and we all know if non south indian and south indian go to interview for tech job and person taking interview is from south, who gets job?
You are doing it for yourself and not for humanity.
Get it right!
And the way you behave shows what kind of background you have (UP/Bihar)
So just grow up and learn how to respect others!!!
Arunmurthy, Please dont drag UP/Bihar. Bihari are proud indian too. I am not bihar but narrow minded guy like you talk all this nonsense. People from south may be educated, techy but very discrimating and hyprocrate. Most sound indian just hang out on their identity group and we all know if non south indian and south indian go to interview for tech job and person taking interview is from south, who gets job?
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